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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[US Open Round 2 - 2008 US Go Congress - Michael Chen 8d vs Bi Jang 9d]PW[Zhaonian (Michael) Chen]PB[Bi Jang]WR[8d]BR[9d]DT[2008-08-04]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[Enraiha [8k\]: go zchen go go go :)
dthiv57 [9k\]: hi
Rakeliem [1k\]: he is zchen?
noned [2d\]: no
Enraiha [8k\]: yes lol
Rakeliem [1k\]: he would be mchen if anything
Enraiha [8k\]: zhaonian chen is zchen english name michake
Enraiha [8k\]: michael
Enraiha [8k\]: lol
Rakeliem [1k\]: lol
kryft [4k\]: Does the game start in a few minutes? (I'm not entirely sure about the time zone..)
hanen [13k\]: maybe they're just thinking
Hikarujr [2k\]: bi jang is gentlerain right
Rakeliem [1k\]: i think so
mate105 [2d\]: the game is about to begin?
bleep [3d?\]: probably in 5 minutes
Hikarujr [2k\]: wait where is eric luis game
bleep [3d?\]: games often start at nice round times :)
Hikarujr [2k\]: i know hes like one of the top boards
AznKid93 [1d\]: usgo1
AznKid93 [1d\]: has eric's game
Hikarujr [2k\]: ahhh ok
AznKid93 [1d\]: hes playing ming jiu
AznKid93 [1d\]: o.o
Hikarujr [2k\]: i guess i have to wait until they post it
Hikarujr [2k\]: lol
Hikarujr [2k\]: azn didnt cherry win last night
AznKid93 [1d\]: go to user view user's info and look for usgo 1, the game is set up
bleep [3d?\]: I added all USGO# in my fan list
bleep [3d?\]: convenient :)
Hikarujr [2k\]: ahh ok
AznKid93 [1d\]: cherry in the ing? 
AznKid93 [1d\]: or open
Hikarujr [2k\]: redmond cup
road2hell [5d\]: open
AznKid93 [1d\]: yeah cherry won in the open first round
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: zchen vs gentlerain, no?
Hikarujr [2k\]: yea
Groningen [10k\]: black seems to be leading 
Tangerine [5k\]: score est. is broken, as usual
kuikentje [5k\]: white is about 7.5 points ahead actually
kuikentje [5k\]: but black's turn
bleep [3d?\]: black should be able to catch up this turn
Tangerine [5k\]: black has sente i think
xushibagua [5k\]: haha
kuikentje [5k\]: it looks pretty even
DarthVader [12k?\]: blacks dead
myspersson [8k\]: i look pretty even
bleep [3d?\]: yeah, close game so far
Tangerine [5k\]: i can never read pro games
road2hell [5d\]: no w is leading by komi so far
Tangerine [5k\]: too complicated
myspersson [8k\]: white is on the top of black
DarthVader [12k?\]: but white is overconcentrater
DarthVader [12k?\]: d
kuikentje [5k\]: black is thin though
kuikentje [5k\]: plenty of invasion points
cheuta [2k\]: when will be start ?
myspersson [8k\]: soon?
Groningen [10k\]: where is the vital point ?
kuikentje [5k\]: n7
xushibagua [5k\]: 10-10
nickwasy [11k\]: White's up by komi, but factoring in that it's Black's turn, I'd say the game's pretty even
Groningen [10k\]: let the games begin
USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon! The Open is being held at the US Go Congress and features one of the strongest fields in North America.  The games are being broadcast by the American Go E-Journal; free go news from around the world, delivered free via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
christopff [2d\]: when does it start???????????
myspersson [8k\]: yay
myspersson [8k\]: now???
Groningen [10k\]: very soon
myspersson [8k\]: how soon?
Tangerine [5k\]: b getting low on time
nickwasy [11k\]: right now they're just playing Go in the depths of their minds
mate105 [2d\]: where can i find yesterday result?
Sweetmango: White might have komi, but black managed to get sente...
PaperClip [1k\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/
AznKid93 [1d\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/crosstab.html
mate105 [2d\]: thank you very much
Tangerine [5k\]: i think we're in ooyose now
kuikentje [5k\]: yeah
kuikentje [5k\]: all groups are pretty much settled
Yopla [5k\]: b lack of cash
G0g0l [1d\]: what are the nickname of the two player on kgs ?
kuikentje [5k\]: bi jang is gentlerain I believe
kuikentje [5k\]: I don't know about Michael Chen
Sweetmango: That's zchen
Ardur [9k?\]: When is this starting?
Sweetmango: who used to be darkmage
Groningen [10k\]: the countdown has started
Arkavon [11k\]: When does it start?
Groningen [10k\]: soon
Groningen [10k\]: dunno when the countdown reaches zero
USGO2 [-\]: The players are here
Dudidude [17k\]: whats going on guys?
USGO2 [-\]: they are setting their clock
Tangerine [5k\]: cmon tengen
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;B[pd]C[TanGeng [1k?\]: wooo
Arkavon [11k\]: Michael chen anyone we know?
Enraiha [8k\]: scroll up
USGO2 [-\]: Zhaonian Chen (zchen, darkmage)
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;W[dd]C[Shana [3d\]: oh so zhaonian=michael
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;B[pq]C[Shana [3d\]: cool
USGO2 [-\]: yes
Hoole3 [9k\]: is feng yun playing today?
USGO2 [-\]: and Bi Jang = gentlerain
barty [1d\]: will be nice game
USGO2 [-\]: Feng Yun is not playing in the Open, but in the Ing later tonight
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;W[dq]C[Hoole3 [9k\]: what is an ing?
barty [1d\]: how many people in this year on USGO ??
Shana [3d\]: is there byo yomi?
Kumoriha [-\]: What's this?
bleep [3d?\]: wasn't he Arwen too?
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;B[qk]C[nickwasy [11k\]: so is this game actually going on somewhere right now over a real board?
DarthVader [12k?\]: yeah chinese!!
StormRider [1d\]: yes :)
Arkavon [11k\]: Why is R9 better than R10?
Kumoriha [-\]: They should totally play mirror go XP
USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2008 US Open, broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon!
Shana [3d\]: cuz it is
DarthVader [12k?\]: its the chinese opening! THATS WHY!
StormRider [1d\]: only pros can explain why but try both and you will see it s true ^^
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Shana [3d\]: storm i can explain it too
kuikentje [5k\]: you should indeed try both
Shana [3d\]: but its too long and complicated xD
Kumoriha [-\]: Depends on whether he wants the serious answer or not.
StormRider [1d\]: y ^^
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;W[mp]C[kuikentje [5k\]: if you can't notice the difference in your games, don't bother about it, the difference will show up when you're stronger (I guess)
Arkavon [11k\]: I don't play either :P
StormRider [1d\]: but you would forget few se4uences i think .... it s very complicated
Shana [3d\]: well lets say... r9 makes w not want to play q5
kryft [4k\]: Or R5, for that matter.
DarthVader [12k?\]: why aren't the timers going?
Kumoriha [-\]: It's always like this, just don't mind them...
Shana [3d\]: cuz they arent playing on kgs
Beanbag [2d\]: pincer?
IIamamiIk [4k\]: k4
DarthVader [12k?\]: o4
Beanbag [2d\]: l4
barty [1d\]: Why in table of results there is no write how strong player is ??
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;B[qo]C[kryft [4k\]: Is Q5 considered a bad reply?
Kumoriha [-\]: ...what?
IIamamiIk [4k\]: i like q5, but i thought he would play k4
nickwasy [11k\]: I would have played Q5, if only because it looks nicer
Kumoriha [-\]: I would have played Q5...
Kumoriha [-\]: >_<
Shana [3d\]: r5=weird
nickwasy [11k\]: maybe it was a mis-place
Groningen [10k\]: r5 makes a shimari
Arkavon [11k\]: Is N4 common?
StormRider [1d\]: maybe r5 for sente?
IIamamiIk [4k\]: q5 leaves a peep i guess
Beanbag [2d\]: yes n4 is normal move
OrangeKyo [7k\]: lol tournament dans do not misplace
Shana [3d\]: but the shimari extension is already cut off and it doesnt go that well with r9
USGO2 [-\]: Both players arrived smiling and greeting their friends and other players.
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;W[oq]C[Shana [3d\]: lol
Shana [3d\]: they have friends... im so jealous
Beanbag [2d\]: its nice to hear that they are well
Kumoriha [-\]: That was informative.
Pimple [2k\]: T.T
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;B[op]C[Ciovo [5k?\]: what did they have for breakfast?
Shana [3d\]: cereal
StormRider [1d\]: lol
nickwasy [11k\]: I was joking, Orange (a play off misclick)
USGO2 [-\]: They are now sitting quietly with serious faces studying the board
Kumoriha [-\]: Bread and honey
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;W[nq]
;B[pr]C[kryft [4k\]: nickwasy, I did actually 'misclick' in a real life tournament once.
nickwasy [11k\]: that sucks
Groningen [10k\]: well, that corner looks pretty solid
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang has a gold kanji painted on his face
nickwasy [11k\]: did it cause you to lose?
Kumoriha [-\]: Wait, how does that work?
Pimple [2k\]: o.o
Beanbag [2d\]: whats it say?
play234 [5d?\]: lol, what does the kanji say?
Shana [3d\]: i never went to a tournament but i took the wrong ko in a real life game before xD after my opponent took like 30 minutes for a move
OrangeKyo [7k\]: usgo2, is there a live broadcast to watch the players?
USGO2 [-\]: I don't recogonise the kanji myself
Kumoriha [-\]: eurogotv maybe?
jankenpopp: didnt know kanji was used for korea..
Euphorie [-\]: hangul*
kryft [4k\]: nickwasy, It was a rather bad move, but I did end up winning the game anyway. (After all, there are lots of bad moves in kyu games. ;)
Mikho [4k\]: I think they use less kanji there
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;W[jq]C[GeZe8 [19k\]: The previous USGO games did not have a live broadcast, I doubt this one does.
play234 [5d?\]: b +
Beanbag [2d\]: yeah i thinc they actualy use some kanjis in korea. like the number ones
kryft [4k\]: C5 or D5?
Kumoriha [-\]: I like think of those as "Chinese" >_>
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ben1988 [13k\]: how long do these games last?
Arkavon [11k\]: 4 hours? ;)
Pimple [2k\]: :-|
Rakeliem [1k\]: wow 4 hrs
saimic [4k\]: 2 days.
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;B[cn]C[Mikho [4k\]: how common are these kind of distant approaches in professional play?
Sweetmango: Depending on the fuski, quite common
Sweetmango: For example, see the Kobayashi Fuseki
Arkavon [11k\]: Is C5 good for white here?
Mikho [4k\]: I usually play them only in handicap games as white
NateC [1d\]: c4 can be an enclosure move here, but I don't w wants a contact play
Beanbag [2d\]: ogeima kakari is most common when w has strong formation in upper left and b does not want to get pincered in 
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;W[dl]C[Kumoriha [-\]: One space? Expected it to be further away...
kryft [4k\]: Beanbag, White was not particularly strong here, though, so what is the point here?
Beanbag [2d\]: i have no clue
GeorgeW [-\]: because the pincer fighting would favor white with a close approach due to k3
Beanbag [2d\]: b looks so strange in loer right
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kryft [4k\]: GeorgeW, Right, and white could develop the lower side while attacking black's pincered stone
Mikho [4k\]: I would probably c3
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;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[dp]C[Hagalaz [4k\]: why is the 9d black?
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang sighs quietly as he plays c3
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;W[cr]C[kryft [4k\]: Hagalaz, White does have komi, so it's an even game. It's not a handicap tournament.
profi [1k\]: Did Bi Jang win yesterday?
Beanbag [2d\]: both win yesterday
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fallen16 [15k\]: how come the timers not moving?
Mikho [4k\]: Is the us congress related in any way to the european congress?
Arkavon [11k\]: They're both go congresses
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;B[bq]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: they both are done in a building
MaLa [2k\]: of different continental Go federations ^^
MaLa [2k\]: EGF and AGA ^^
fallen16 [15k\]: grr. once again y arent the clock thingies moving
Zureiyaaa [5d?\]: d5 :P
Rakeliem [1k\]: they never do, fallen
Mikho [4k\]: and they both happen at the same time it seems
USGO2 [-\]: Michael quickly checks his opponent's time (but the clock is on the other side of the board from me, so I can't see it)
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;W[do]
;B[ep]
;W[co]
;B[eq]
;W[dr]
;B[br]C[G0g0l [1d\]: o17 
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang setps out for a break
fallen16 [15k\]: whos the USGO2 dude? i confuzzled wit that.
USGO2 [-\]: Michael also gets up and checks out some of the other games in the room
nickwasy [11k\]: he's a guy who's actually there
Sponge7 [3d\]: lol
Sponge7 [3d\]: zchen already tried this against b
Mikho [4k\]: weird way of using the time
Sponge7 [3d\]: and failed ~~
Jump [6k\]: Micheal's head explodes but then reassembles itself
Beanbag [2d\]: he one of our lincs to the live game 
fallen16 [15k\]: how can he be thea? its online i thought we're all there. er, here.
RedFangs: is there a possibility of Hu being one of the USGO dudes?
Mikho [4k\]: does this work for b?
Cassis0 [3d\]: it seems
Beanbag [2d\]: game is not played online
USGO2 [-\]: Michael retuns to re-examine the position on the board
fallen16 [15k\]: how does that work though? if its not played online how are they playing?
nickwasy [11k\]: on a real board...
Mikho [4k\]: on real stones
Cassis0 [3d\]: wasnt w who was supposed to trick b? 
Beanbag [2d\]: usgo watche theyr moves and relay onto kgs
Mikho [4k\]: with a guy recording the game for everyone to see
fallen16 [15k\]: ohhhh
Mikho [4k\]: keeping the suspense of the tournament
fallen16 [15k\]: i gotcha. so other people play the moves online while they play it on a board
Rakeliem [1k\]: yea they are next to the players
Beanbag [2d\]: game is demo mode so he can do both side moves by himself
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;W[er]C[nickwasy [11k\]: anyone know why some stones in the history have numbers and others have triangles?
Mikho [4k\]: isn't e2 the only move?
Cassis0 [3d\]: e5? 
Sweetmango: Triangles had comments
Sweetmango: numbers are the number of moves
nickwasy [11k\]: ok thanks
Sweetmango: Welcome ^^
fallen16 [15k\]: are mango's really sweet?
NateC [1d\]: b e5 is sente. I can't see this working
hollywood [3k\]: yep
Cassis0 [3d\]: I don't see what w can do here??? 
Beanbag [2d\]: not all mangos are sweet
RNak [10k\]: omg, it's hard to follow many games :B
Rakeliem [1k\]: if f2, g2
Beanbag [2d\]: just pick one and go with it
fallen16 [15k\]: lol.
fallen16 [15k\]: im hungry...
fallen16 [15k\]: damn these people play really slow.
Rakeliem [1k\]: I think black can do nothng here
elohimmeth [2k\]: can f2
Rakeliem [1k\]: f2 fails to clamp
janibi [1d\]: e5
Paradize [2k\]: NateC have probably right here
profi [1k\]: white should give e2 and take some influence.. ^^
christopff [2d\]: i read in the description of USGO2
christopff [2d\]: Computer vs. Pro Exhibition Match : 07.08.08 22:00    --> Kim MyungWan 8p will play Mogo on a 3000+ node supercomputer.    
christopff [2d\]: when is this in germany
christopff [2d\]: ?
elohimmeth [2k\]: f2 g2 f3 g3 f4 e5  w get 2 stones and black get d6..
christopff [2d\]: and how are the chances of mogo?
MaLa [2k\]: 19x19?
christopff [2d\]: yeah
MaLa [2k\]: Catalin beat Mogo with 9H :P
webby913 [14k\]: is Bi Jang bigben79?
christopff [2d\]: does it reach 1d on 3000 Stones
christopff [2d\]: on 3000 processors
Dominas25 [9k?\]: no webby
MaLa [2k\]: and Kim should be much stronger then Catalin
webby913 [14k\]: thx
Dominas25 [9k?\]: he's gentlerain
elohimmeth [2k\]: who?
Rakeliem [1k\]: dominas: black
cyp2d6 [9k\]: 0.3 mDan per processor
Rakeliem [1k\]: oh sry
IIamamiIk [4k\]: is Bi Jang back, or is he still away?
Beanbag [2d\]: whats up with the sequence in the loer right anyway
Beanbag [2d\]: loer left i meand
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang is taking a long break I guess :)
christopff [2d\]: @USGO2
christopff [2d\]: when is Computer vs. Pro Exhibition Match : 07.08.08 22:00    --> Kim MyungWan 8p will play Mogo on a 3000+ node supercomputer.    
christopff [2d\]: in germany?
webby913 [14k\]: seems w did his home work on this variation
christopff [2d\]: do you mean gmt
Beanbag [2d\]: w did? it doesnt look good for w tho
Tangerine [5k\]: just look at the profile. it is localized to your timezone
Tangerine [5k\]: 3pm eastern
goinin: Mogo on a computer network plays way worse than a single instance mogo...
Paradize [2k\]: B have two empty triangles
Paradize [2k\]: that sn t always good
Yamantaka [2d\]: they're not empty
Mikho [4k\]: I was just going to check this game quick, but now can't logout as I'm curious of how this will turn out...
Yamantaka [2d\]: there's no record of this sequence in pro games i have
Snaga [1d?\]: f2 ?
Kumoriha [-\]: This is really weird...
nickwasy [11k\]: zchen is a sophomore at Princeton
MrShintou [-\]: f2 leads to black being in a net
Beanbag [2d\]: b thincing hard
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang returns; Michael points out his last move
Beanbag [2d\]: usualy b can force at e5
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;B[fr]C[Mikho [4k\]: ohh
Beanbag [2d\]: e5?
MrShintou [-\]: f3
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;W[gr]C[RedFangs: g2?
RedFangs: yep
Sonica [1k\]: is chen won yesterday ?
goinin: Chen is not a prize.
NateC [1d\]: :)
Kumoriha [-\]: Hehe
Tangerine [5k\]: depends on who you ask
Rakeliem [1k\]: bi jang is black?
RedFangs: no
RedFangs: hes chinese
Rakeliem [1k\]: ...
goinin: Korean.
Kumoriha [-\]: Haha
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang is Korean
RedFangs: ah cmon, just a joke :P
USGO2 [-\]: living in Seattle
RNak [10k\]: how old are them?
MrShintou [-\]: overcast lives in seattle are they the same?
RedFangs: w 21 b 56?
nickwasy [11k\]: Chen is 19 or 20
USGO2 [-\]: former Korean insei (or whatever they call them there)
goinin: wonseng
Rakeliem [1k\]: e5?
profi [1k\]: f1 
USGO2 [-\]: players photos are on the website
MrShintou [-\]: and by overcast i mean gentlerain lives in seattle
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;B[fq]C[hollywood [3k\]: can you send the link usgo2
Kumoriha [-\]: Maybe black will make a B2 bomber
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;W[fs]C[Mikho [4k\]: this can't be good for b
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;B[hq]C[USGO2 [-\]: For latest Congress tourney info, click on http://usgo.org/congress/2008/  Round-by-Round pairings, running crosstabs and more!
Beanbag [2d\]: i was thinking w would go e5 to try and seal b inside 
Arkavon [11k\]: b F4 looks nice...
fallen16 [15k\]: j2?
christopff [2d\]: b1
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;W[ir]C[fallen16 [15k\]: ha. smart.
RedFangs: this seems a mess
rainysky [5d?\]: nice... chen gets him with a korean trick
barakeel [1k\]: what s the difference between j2 and h2
fallen16 [15k\]: im korean.
rainysky [5d?\]: H2 fails
barakeel [1k\]: ok
rainysky [5d?\]: this is only possible because of K3
NateC [1d\]: It's humbling to see a sequence I don't understsand in the least
Mikho [4k\]: B must have misread at some point
RedFangs: no way you are korean fallen
RedFangs: korean are born 1d
fallen16 [15k\]: actually i am.
road2hell [5d\]: if w h2..e1 d1 b1 g1 c1 e1 j2 
fallen16 [15k\]: lol i jux started playing recently.
Dominas25 [9k?\]: or maybe he'll pull a hikaru and make it work for him anyway
RedFangs: haha
RedFangs: soon you will become 1d
fallen16 [15k\]: oh yeah fa sho!
Lacrimosa [1k\]: hmm, it's a well known sequence i think? i'm just not sure if it was for getting tricked or avoiding the trick :)
Beanbag [2d\]: so this was hamete?
Lacrimosa [1k\]: d8 was because k3 was there
RedFangs: lets wait gentlerain come with his tesuji
Beanbag [2d\]: seems b coulca gone e5 earlier and then eated w with d2 but he went e3 instead
RedFangs: coulca?
USGO2 [-\]: Myungwan Kim 8p has taken a break from his own game on board 5 and come over to look this one (and the others as well)
Beanbag [2d\]: wel actualy thats ko
Lacrimosa [1k\]: dinerchtein went through this in his newsletter
barakeel [1k\]: i dont see any ko
barakeel [1k\]: there
RedFangs: i see no light in blacks future
RedFangs: cant find any good sequence
Beanbag [2d\]: e5 d6 d2 e3 f3 e2 f2 d1 f1 e1 b2 b1 a1 a2 a3 
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang lets out a quiet "humm"
Beanbag [2d\]: sekuens started from move 23
larrymarx [6k\]: sequence
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;B[hr]C[USGO2 [-\]: Michaels eyes quickly scan both this side position and the bottom right corner
fairgo1 [10k\]: wow 
Mikho [4k\]: this usgo2 guy is pretty observant =)
fallen16 [15k\]: lmao.
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang, originally prepared to respond quickly, throws the stone he was holding back into his bowl
Rakeliem [1k\]: isn't it whites turn ?
Beanbag [2d\]: gentlrain is in pinch
Tangerine [5k\]: he thought white would immediately respond
pippo2 [13k\]: h 1 and w live, no?
Mikho [4k\]: well, I would h1 without thinking
fallen16 [15k\]: so do they hold the stones like on hikaru?
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;W[hs]
;B[gq]
;W[gs]
;B[jp]C[Arkavon [11k\]: Between the nail of the index finger and the pad of the middle finger
Rakeliem [1k\]: yes they do
Beanbag [2d\]: j3?
Mikho [4k\]: well that's probably the best way to hold the stones
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;W[kp]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[bs]
;W[is]C[presque [5k\]: l3 
elohimmeth [2k\]: L4 mistake ?
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;B[dm]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: nice move
Mikho [4k\]: d7??
Tangerine [5k\]: b thinking about b5?
Paradize [2k\]: yes he ll close him inside
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang gets up for a quick look at the other games around the room
Mikho [4k\]: maybe he'll get a chance to fix up his shape by threatening c4
USGO2 [-\]: and while two tables away, still looks back and studies the board position of his own game for another moment or two
Rakeliem [1k\]: hehe
Snaga [1d?\]: lol this game position looks strange
Beanbag [2d\]: lol nice comments usgo!
blimp [2d?\]: W ?e7
Mikho [4k\]: never had an opponent like that
Rakeliem [1k\]: like a hawk
jst4fun [5k\]: w e5?
USGO2 [-\]: he's now standing a little ways behind Michael looking at the board from the other side's perspective
Mikho [4k\]: lol
]
;W[cl]C[Beanbag [2d\]: b position does not apear to improve
Matinee [9k\]: USGO2 is the best commentator ever...
Matinee [9k\]: should work for ESPN
jrsfsj: white likes to kill
USGO2 [-\]: Michael steps out of the room for a moment
Beanbag [2d\]: result ok for b if ha can make his grup at f3 strong somehow
jrsfsj: is this the result of a mess up joseki?
Mikho [4k\]: I can't see a way to accomplish that
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang shakes of a few variations in his head
bolb [-\]: >> view offline :)
USGO2 [-\]: *off
elohimmeth [2k\]: hard for black..
]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[bn]
;W[en]
;B[em]
;W[fn]C[Mikho [4k\]: f2 etc weakened...
cblau: looking grave for black?
Beanbag [2d\]: let it die for now
]
;B[ap]C[send [6d\]: this was a trick play
OrangeKyo [7k\]: j4?
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang lets out a brief sigh as he reluctantly places his stone on the board
send [6d\]: and d7 was a mistake
send [6d\]: should have been b5
]
;W[hn]C[USGO2 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang gets up from his game on board 1 and stops by for a brief look
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
USGO2 [-\]: Michael turns around to see how Eric Lui is doing against Mingjiu
Beanbag [2d\]: thancs send
Motie [?\]: This looks pretty hopeless for B
PeteLibo [13k?\]: I like how the players just leave the boards
elohimmeth [2k\]: k5..
profi [1k\]: j3 l3 k5 
Mikho [4k\]: why do they keep looking at other games?
MilanMilan [9d\]: b is gentlerain?
Beanbag [2d\]: yes
OrangeKyo [7k\]: whoa
]
;B[ip]C[Beanbag [2d\]: w is mage
MilanMilan [9d\]: zchen?
Beanbag [2d\]: yea
Sweetmango: zchen and darkmage, yes
cblau: yes, bi jang is gentlerain
Sweetmango: And, briefly, if I recall, Arwen?
mrkibbles [1d?\]: yup
bleep [3d?\]: yep
Violence [?\]: hmmmm...
Violence [?\]: can white play... L7?
MilanMilan [9d\]: L5
DavidB2 [2d?\]: he can play anywhere except in an eye or where a stone has been placed violence
Motie [?\]: How about K6?
mrkibbles [1d?\]: l5 does shurt slightly
cblau: F9?
Violence [?\]: L5... then black can J6?
USGO2 [-\]: his eyes are darting around that area
mrkibbles [1d?\]: i thought l5 in resposne to l7
]
;W[ko]
;B[in]
;W[im]C[PeteLibo [13k?\]: what is blacks time usgo2?
]
;B[jn]C[USGO2 [-\]: they've only been playing for about an hour, so each player has used about 30 mins so far
]
;W[el]
;B[fm]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: ...
]
;W[gm]
;B[fl]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: strange move
MilanMilan [9d\]: risky
MrShintou [-\]: ya
kryft [4k\]: Milan, What was?
Beannie [2d\]: isn't it just an inducing move so white can protect with G7?
Beanbag [2d\]: b coulda goed at b8 instead
Beanbag [2d\]: f7 is risky
nickwasy [11k\]: look at S.E.
Motie [?\]: He plans F(? Hoping for B G8 and then W H*?
Rocker [4d\]: muhahahaha
nickwasy [11k\]: it's more confused than I am
Motie [?\]: Oops
Motie [?\]: F9 and H8
katori15 [4k\]: Mr SE is not good in AGA rules
Rocker [4d\]: lovely struggle 
Hanne [6k\]: risky because it doesnt protect k6 i guess
Rocker [4d\]: butcher each other!
]
;W[kl]C[Beanbag [2d\]: it gived w gooder shape 
elohimmeth [2k\]: M7 !
Kumoriha [-\]: Gooder?
Dominas25 [9k?\]: gived?!
Dominas25 [9k?\]: SHAPE?!!!
Rakeliem [1k\]: w
Kumoriha [-\]: XP
Jump [6k\]: YOu got it before me
Rocker [4d\]: kill
MrShintou [-\]: where whites points
Paradize [2k\]: no K8
Beanbag [2d\]: well b stil has aji at l3 to help him
Rocker [4d\]: kill with passion
Jump [6k\]: L7
Rocker [4d\]: jump u r very strong
Beanbag [2d\]: jump only strong at jumping and l7 is a jump
]
;B[jm]C[Paradize [2k\]: is K8 only ??
Paradize [2k\]: ah
Paradize [2k\]: B wanna live 
MrShintou [-\]: white cannot win a ko
MrShintou [-\]: and q16 pervents ladder
Jump [6k\]: strong but I got it worng
MilanMilan [9d\]: b could make use the tie liberty of w
]
;W[jl]
;B[lm]C[bleep [3d?\]: I expected b to cut j8 first :)
katori15 [4k\]: g5 g6 h5 k5 for one eye
Paradize [2k\]: K5 sente
Motie [?\]: B has L3...
Jump [6k\]: eye and a half
Paradize [2k\]: before
NateC [1d\]: Internal life is painful right now; b is better to gain access to the outside
Rocker [4d\]: j8 is too normal idea that comes first so they dont play it
Beanbag [2d\]: starting to look like b grupe escaped with minimum damage
Motie [?\]: yes, looks like
BOKITO [2k\]: he can't be happy though with 2 weak groups
Rocker [4d\]: is b struggling ?????????????
Rakeliem [1k\]: no rocker
Jump [6k\]: 2 weak groups to white's one
Rocker [4d\]: is b sailing??????????
Motie [?\]: Well, the one on the left can make 2 eyes with B8, so not too weak
Paradize [2k\]: lol
Beanbag [2d\]: b doing gooder than expected after what hapend in loer left
Rocker [4d\]: hi prody cuty
USGO2 [-\]: earlier, Nakano 9p and now Feng Yun 9p have been looking at the game
Jump [6k\]: yes but gote  to make life
Violence [?\]: This is very complex
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
Violence [?\]: Can darkmage strike his killing blow here?
bleep [3d?\]: think b is out
Cassis0 [3d\]: very strange game
Rocker [4d\]: they were having headach?
Cassis0 [3d\]: b is surviving
]
;W[dg]C[Violence [?\]: Whoa
Mikho [4k\]: a tenuki
Beanbag [2d\]: send said that b d7 was bad but it might have ended up ok
bleep [3d?\]: well, he can't let b attack D8
]
;B[dj]C[Jump [6k\]: too late?
bleep [3d?\]: maybe he should have played  closer? ah well, I'm weak, wouldn't know :)
Rakeliem [1k\]: e9
Beanbag [2d\]: b9 can put more hair on b chest
hngryhippo [4k\]: if the idea was to stop the attack on d8,  then he should have played closer
bleep [3d?\]: I would have played D11 or connecting around J8 I think
Rocker [4d\]: what is the purse for the 1st place?
kryft [4k\]: E10?
hngryhippo [4k\]: twenny bucks an dinner at macdonals
Rakeliem [1k\]: versacci
USGO2 [-\]: Feng Yun had walked away, and upon passing by again made a face when seeing Michael's move
Jump [6k\]: sweeet prize
Beanbag [2d\]: lol
hngryhippo [4k\]: ^_^
Rakeliem [1k\]: the d13 right?
]
;W[cj]C[katori15 [4k\]: Feng seems to be a bad poker player
Rakeliem [1k\]: so I guess zchen is black and bi jang is white?
Dominas25 [9k?\]: that would've been fun to see
Jump [6k\]: good thing he plays go then
Beanbag [2d\]: when w go b9 then b need eye in midl area
bleep [3d?\]: white is a player who never backs away from a fight on KGS, let's see what happens here ^^
Rocker [4d\]: sashimi shushi dinner for the winner?
NateC [1d\]: Rakeliem, the names are above this chat box
Rakeliem [1k\]: I saw
Rakeliem [1k\]: but there's been like 4 indicaters that it's the other way around
USGO2 [-\]: I'm recording the game, it may take me a while to add the comments
bigben79 [7d\]: m7 is not necessary. b can live by h5 j8 f5 g6 g4
]
;B[fk]C[Dominas25 [9k?\]: not necessary, but still oodles of fun!
Mikho [4k\]: j8?
Rakeliem [1k\]: h9?
Hanne [6k\]: i would not want to be white ...
]
;W[di]C[bleep [3d?\]: can h8 cut?
]
;B[dn]C[MrShintou [-\]: ignore...
Violence [?\]: I guess white wanted his profit up front, in cash down payment
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang quickly plops that stone in place; Michael seems puzzled
Euphorie [-\]: these are cutting stones
Euphorie [-\]: hard to let them go
MrShintou [-\]: white cannot win a ko.
Dominas25 [9k?\]: good use of "plops" USGO2
Rakeliem [1k\]: I'm sure he's won a ko before
Violence [?\]: what ko? doesn't black want to cut with H8?
NateC [1d\]: ...Rakeliem :)
fallen16 [15k\]: doesnt black win here?
fallen16 [15k\]: j8 after he plays e5?
Beanbag [2d\]: e5 just not feasible
Motie [?\]: H8 doesn't really cut
Rocker [4d\]: ATARI!
Mikho [4k\]: what if W hand protected j8 instead of d11?
Rakeliem [1k\]: h8 g8..
Mikho [4k\]: *had
jst4fun [5k\]: w in trouble
Hanne [6k\]: whats wrong with e5
bleep [3d?\]: oh yeah, right :/
bleep [3d?\]: so j8 will probably be better
Beanbag [2d\]: e5 gains so little. both b grups strong either way
jst4fun [5k\]: w e5 g5 g6 j8
Euphorie [-\]: strong?
Rocker [4d\]: camon , connect and think
bigben79 [7d\]: e5, h8
Motie [?\]: and then g8?
jst4fun [5k\]: hi bigben
Rocker [4d\]: connect!!!!!!!!
jst4fun [5k\]: I am your fun
jst4fun [5k\]: fan
nickwasy [11k\]: it might be better to make b take it in gote
Hanne [6k\]: e5 j8  makes f9 group weaK no
Beanbag [2d\]: tenuki!!!
USGO2 [-\]: Michael keeps glancing at the bottom right corner, and the right side
makoregevr [2d\]: tenuki =\\?
makoregevr [2d\]: i dont think so
Gay [4d\]: looks bad for w
makoregevr [2d\]: i dont think he will tenuki
Rocker [4d\]: michael looks sad?
USGO2 [-\]: Now Guo Juan and Jennie Shen come in to check on the strong player's games
Gay [4d\]: who is Jennie Shen
Rakeliem [1k\]: a pro
MrShintou [-\]: she works w/ guo juan on her website lectuers
Beanbag [2d\]: shen is 2p?
Rakeliem [1k\]: 1 or 2
Euphorie [-\]: she is
MrShintou [-\]: she also lecteurs on KGS as JennieP or something of that sork i think
Rocker [4d\]: shen is chinese name >
Rocker [4d\]: ?
Rakeliem [1k\]: probably
bleep [3d?\]: if w connects, h8 will work?
bleep [3d?\]: or did I misread :)
USGO2 [-\]: Both Michael and Bi Jang sit rather still and show little or no emotion on their faces
Randombeat [-\]: yes bleep, i read h8 working too
Rakeliem [1k\]: I think it will bleep
Mikho [4k\]: g8 as a response to b h8 works, no?
bleep [3d?\]: so w probably can't, costs too many liberties
Rocker [4d\]: r they eating popcorns or any snack?
bleep [3d?\]: Mikho: h8 g8 h9 h7 j8 g9 g10 h10 j9 j10 k9 l10 h5 I read
]
;W[pe]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: O.o
bleep [3d?\]: ladderbreaker :)
MaLa [2k\]: o.O
Motie [?\]: whoa!
Rakeliem [1k\]: ah yea
Rocker [4d\]: what ladder?
bleep [3d?\]: cutting stones
Mikho [4k\]: right
Rakeliem [1k\]: the one around j9
USGO2 [-\]: Michael plops this move down with a sigh
Arkavon [11k\]: Where is the ladder?
MrShintou [-\]: K8 black group
bleep [3d?\]: if b plays h8 w can ladder the bad shape stones
Randombeat [-\]: hehe here is the counter
bleep [3d?\]: after e5 by white
bleep [3d?\]: w can't net, because he has low liberties
Hanne [6k\]: net means what
Hanne [6k\]: oh net
Rocker [4d\]: i dont get this ladder thing!! theres no ladder!
bleep [3d?\]: h8 g8 h9 h7 j8 g9 g10 h10 ladder
bleep [3d?\]: after white e5 
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang starts to place a stone nearby, hesitates, and pulls back to reconsider
Hanne [6k\]: like wooden shoe
Rakeliem [1k\]: I would play p16
Arkavon [11k\]: Who is playing better so far?
]
;B[od]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: probably bjang
bleep [3d?\]: Rocker: do you agree, or did I miss a variation?
Rocker [4d\]: NO LADder!!!!!!
bleep [3d?\]: so what move is different?
]
;W[eo]C[Mikho [4k\]: geta
]
;B[mr]C[Rocker [4d\]: bleep i couldnt follow ur variation
MrShintou [-\]: finally
Rakeliem [1k\]: I knew he would play n2
Motie [?\]: Interesting
Mikho [4k\]: so that was what they were eyeing in the lower right
USGO2 [-\]: Michael shakes his head a bit in response to Bi's P16
bleep [3d?\]: if b now would play h8 , w answers g8 , h9 h7 j8 g9 g10 
Tsuijin [1d\]: he needs to transform into Darkmage
Zureiyaaa [5d\]: looks promising for black..
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why not j8
Paddlefoot [1d\]: what am I missing?
bleep [3d?\]: j8 j9 
bleep [3d?\]: I think
]
;W[km]
;B[kn]C[Motie [?\]: B L3 cacthes D1
bleep [3d?\]: but I know nothing for certain ^^
]
;W[ln]C[Motie [?\]: catches
]
;B[cs]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: uh ohhh
Motie [?\]: I expected W M3 after N2
Motie [?\]: Seemed like only move
Rocker [4d\]: bleep maybe u r right!!!
bleep [3d?\]: thanks :) then Q15 at least makes sense ;)
]
;W[qd]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: wow
]
;B[qc]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: h8
]
;W[qe]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: picks some stones up no?
]
;B[rc]C[calgacus [?\]: How does w look - sick as a parrot?
]
;W[oe]C[Mendocino [3k\]: !
]
;B[nd]
;W[qi]C[Mendocino [3k\]: costy push
Rocker [4d\]: but
Mikho [4k\]: are parrots generally sick?
]
;B[kc]C[Dominas25 [9k?\]: always
bleep [3d?\]: I probably missed a variation, just wondering what :)
Paddlefoot [1d\]: welsome to the world of aphorisms
calgacus [?\]: Give us a picture usgo
Rocker [4d\]: bleep it still didnt break the ladder with q15 p16 exchange i think
]
;W[ec]C[bleep [3d?\]: I think it did, he could play two ladders
bleep [3d?\]: I mean, push once extra
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ladders? where?
Rocker [4d\]: ah
bleep [3d?\]: oh wait
bleep [3d?\]: not anymore maybe, since l7 l6 exchange
Paddlefoot [1d\]: h8
Rocker [4d\]: there was no l7 cut that time
bleep [3d?\]: yeah
PeteLibo [13k?\]: http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html
PeteLibo [13k?\]: calgacus
Beanbag [2d\]: seems like b eneded up gooder in the end
USGO2 [-\]: both players are staring intently at the board
calgacus [?\]: Yes?
]
;B[kq]C[Dominas25 [9k?\]: not gooder, better
profi [1k\]: a ladder working after q15 
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang makes his move as Michael stands up
USGO2 [-\]: Michael looks back to see the move, then continues to wander off
Motie [?\]: B is going to ponnuli at M6
Motie [?\]: ponnuki
Motie [?\]: My spelling isterrible today
Rocker [4d\]: where did michael go?
Mikho [4k\]: looks like b is quite strong
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I can't see w winning
Rocker [4d\]: toilette?
Beanbag [2d\]: ponuki? cant w go n6?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: b looks incredible
nouziller [2k\]: he is
Richdad [5d\]: c17 instead of l17 might have been better
USGO2 [-\]: ey're both back studying the board again
Rocker [4d\]: is gentlerain = bi jang?
Beanbag [2d\]: anyhow w has bad aji at j8
Motie [?\]: for example: B L2, W M5, B N6 then B M3 destroys W
nouziller [2k\]: yes
USGO2 [-\]: yes Rocker
elohimmeth [2k\]: m2 only move..
Paddlefoot [1d\]: aaah
]
;W[lq]C[elohimmeth [2k\]: m3 sorry.
]
;B[mn]
;W[lo]
;B[es]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: w can surviv
]
;W[lr]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: but seems still behind
Beanbag [2d\]: w end up under severe ataction
USGO2 [-\]: white has 55 mins left, black has 71 min
Mikho [4k\]: so what do you think was w's mistake?
Mendocino [3k\]: now cut
Beanbag [2d\]: probably tenuki at d13
Paddlefoot [1d\]: cutting at M6
Paddlefoot [1d\]: and losing d2
]
;B[cc]C[Mendocino [3k\]: ok first corner then cut
Mikho [4k\]: bold
]
;W[cd]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: a bold move
Sonica [1k\]: doesn t care
Sonica [1k\]: g17?
Beanbag [2d\]: d13 was w mistake caus feng yun made face from it
twintom [6k\]: test
]
;B[hc]C[Sonica [1k\]: aji
mahatma [1k\]: time?
Beanbag [2d\]: b looks happy
Hanne [6k\]: how does h17 interact with c17 
Mendocino [3k\]: b so much secure teretory
Sonica [1k\]: e18
Motie [?\]: B can now aim at reducing with E18
Beanbag [2d\]: b go e18 after to reduce w and make b biger
USGO2 [-\]: time? 30 seconds later than the last time I announced it... scroll up
Richdad [5d\]: b clearly ahead
bleep [3d?\]: w still has a weak group, I wonder how b will handle that
jst4fun [5k\]: b can simply play territory game
Paddlefoot [1d\]: h8 can cut
bleep [3d?\]: you sure?
Beanbag [2d\]: b can handle w grupe inderectly 
Motie [?\]: I think B about 10 pts ahead
Beanbag [2d\]: h8 can cut yeah b can keep going straight out on h line
Richdad [5d\]: yeah motie, i asses the same
bleep [3d?\]: h8 g8 h9 h7 
Richdad [5d\]: and very hard 10 points, because black is very strong
Beanbag [2d\]: he said h8 can cut not capture bleep
bleep [3d?\]: but it doesn't cut
bleep [3d?\]: well, maybe it does
bleep [3d?\]: you're right
bleep [3d?\]: but the f6 part escapes
Beanbag [2d\]: its so bad aji tho
Beanbag [2d\]: maybe w resign?
bleep [3d?\]: it's terrible aji and b is doing fine already, w can't even spend a move to remove it
Beanbag [2d\]: too early but seems so hopeless
Richdad [5d\]: if w spend a move at j8 or so, b increases the point lead
]
;W[kd]C[bleep [3d?\]: true
]
;B[lc]C[Beanbag [2d\]: yes b happy to let w pain with aji on board
bleep [3d?\]: and if b plays around o13 suddenly the cut works
Rocker [4d\]: richard!
Richdad [5d\]: ?
Sponge7 [3d\]: wow
Rocker [4d\]: i thought i was calling ur son
Sponge7 [3d\]: zchen is is aga 8d :o
Beanbag [2d\]: amazing game tho. i swear b had terible result in loer left
Mikho [4k\]: i think you are not mistaken there
Mendocino [3k\]: someone gets whites plan?
Mikho [4k\]: he must be desperate
bleep [3d?\]: b doesn't have many weakness to strike at, maybe he'll expand right side trying to make his weak group stronger at the same time
bleep [3d?\]: and then maybe later R7
bleep [3d?\]: wouldn't know :)
MrShintou [-\]: r7 would be epic failur e=D
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang had stepped out of the room for a minute or two and has now just returned
makoregevr [2d\]: i saying w win
makoregevr [2d\]: im
makoregevr [2d\]: **
Hanne [6k\]: thanks
USGO2 [-\]: the TD is wandering about the room with papers to seal the moves for lunch breaks
USGO2 [-\]: so far, no one is taking him up on it
Hanne [6k\]: please what is td
Yamantaka [2d\]: tournament director
Arkavon [11k\]: What time is it in the US?
cyp2d6 [9k\]: And what is meant with "sealing the moves"?
Hanne [6k\]: writing them down
Mikho [4k\]: one player writes a move on the envelope and it is stored as both players have a break
Beanbag [2d\]: SE says w + 30.5
Mikho [4k\]: later the game is continued revealing the move
Mikho [4k\]: both players can study the game meanwhile
Hanne [6k\]: this way no one has disadvantage
cyp2d6 [9k\]: Thanks ^^.
Mikho [4k\]: without sealing the move, the one in turn would gain advantage
cyp2d6 [9k\]: Yeah, right... he could think during break.
bleep [3d?\]: that's why some people consider it rude to kikashi as sealed move
Hanne [6k\]: actually the other one can think too, but he has to think more
Appendix [3k\]: kikashi as sealed move XD
]
;W[qn]C[Hanne [6k\]: kikashi is like forcing move rite
elohimmeth [2k\]: huh
cyp2d6 [9k\]: So you would kikashi and seal the next move.
kryft [4k\]: Hanne, yes
Paddlefoot [1d\]: thought to be questionably ethical
bleep [3d?\]: but you should just pick your best move and don't sweat about the meta-game in my opinion
Mikho [4k\]: usually there is a reason why people hold back absolute sente moves. Using up one just for that purpose might not be such a good idea
bleep [3d?\]: even if it is sente
Arkavon [11k\]: Surely all good plays are forcing moves, what with sente and all?
bleep [3d?\]: no
kryft [4k\]: Arkavon, No, a gote move can be the best move.
bleep [3d?\]: and moves like this are sente, but hav emultiple possible answers
Hanne [6k\]: but a foricng move is usually easy to answer .. so why is it rude
Mikho [4k\]: one huge ko threat less might be a loss
jst4fun [5k\]: w has to play dramaticle moves. Otherwise no hope
]
;B[po]C[cyp2d6 [9k\]: Ah, now I get it...
bleep [3d?\]: because then the sealer gets more thinking time, although wasting a ko threat wouldn't be worth it
USGO2 [-\]: Janice Kim passes by to briefly observe the game
cyp2d6 [9k\]: The player sealing the move knows already the answer.
USGO2 [-\]: she too has a kanji painted on her face
]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[Appendix [3k\]: which one?
Arkavon [11k\]: What's a kanji?
Mikho [4k\]: a chinese character
avatar1 [3d?\]: why not h8 ? seems big
Arkavon [11k\]: And who's janice kim?
USGO2 [-\]: must be the popular thing to do here; I must be hanging with the wrong crowd
Mikho [4k\]: probably not anything as blatant as 力 or 強 or sth
Hanne [6k\]: i assume sth means something
Mikho [4k\]: yes
Hanne [6k\]: lol that was a joke bro
Arkavon [11k\]: How do you get non-abc123 characters on KGS?
Mikho [4k\]: haha :P
cyp2d6 [9k\]: When I type 力 into google, I get the wiki about the physical force...
Mikho [4k\]: I think you have to set up your OS such
Mikho [4k\]: I have a japanese vista, and didn't have to do anything to be able to write special chars
Gueust [7k\]: like that ? か (i use windows. YOu just have to install with the CD the langage you need)
cyp2d6 [9k\]: I have german vista and I see it too.
Arkavon [11k\]: Oh, I see!
cyp2d6 [9k\]: Though It says nothing to me.
]
;W[pl]C[Mikho [4k\]: well, both chars indicate strength in one way or another
Hanne [6k\]: so strength is blatant or what
Mikho [4k\]: I think they would write something more subtle
Tsuijin [1d\]: isn't Jie Li preparing for World Student Oza?
cyp2d6 [9k\]: Depends on what strengths you are talking about.
Hanne [6k\]: i can think of more blatant things to write on faces
Tsuijin [1d\]: wrong window
USGO2 [-\]: Michael has stepped out; Bi is intently studying the right side of the board
Anglagard [-\]: He is right to do so
Hanne [6k\]: try q10 Bi, i sometimes play this
Anglagard [-\]: huh 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: q10 hebo-kosumi
]
;B[pk]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: usualy considered bad shape
Mikho [4k\]: q10 not goog
Hanne [6k\]: what hebo mean sensei
Paddlefoot [1d\]: (hebo means fool)
Mikho [4k\]: *good
Hanne [6k\]: domo
Mikho [4k\]: hebokosumi is a weak player's kosumi
]
;W[ql]C[Beanbag [2d\]: hebo dont mean fool 
Beanbag [2d\]: hebo mean unskillful
]
;B[ok]C[Uberdude [2d\]: does anyone understnd r5 at the start?
Uberdude [2d\]: seems too inefficeint with r9 to me
USGO2 [-\]: Bi shakes his head slightly
Beanbag [2d\]: no i was totaly oconfused by r5
Mikho [4k\]: well, it's a shimari
Uberdude [2d\]: yes a flat inefficient one to me
Beanbag [2d\]: is it ok for b to go pincer on n4 instead? u gots a w stoan on d3 
Beanbag [2d\]: q5 instead is more normaller mikho
Uberdude [2d\]: yes the pincer is possible too
Beanbag [2d\]: last time i had that position i went at l4
]
;W[rq]C[Uberdude [2d\]: L4 and k4 possible
Mikho [4k\]: the difference is pretty subtle imho
Rocker [4d\]: i won!
Beanbag [2d\]: no the diference is very stark mikho
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ???
Uberdude [2d\]: well to L4 w is more likely to counter pincer
Uberdude [2d\]: at j3
makoregevr [2d\]: S3 stupid
]
;B[rn]C[Mikho [4k\]: if you say so then
Beanbag [2d\]: yea thats why its gooder if d3 is not at d4 i thot
jst4fun [5k\]: w is hoping b play s6
Paddlefoot [1d\]: L4...J3
Uberdude [2d\]: for example: http://www.online-go.com/games/board.php?boardID=74875
Paddlefoot [1d\]: are we looking at the same game?
]
;W[rm]
;B[so]C[jst4fun [5k\]: than w s7,t5 s9
Uberdude [2d\]: and to j3 p4 is a funky move
Universe [2d\]: that was pretty interesting move
Universe [2d\]: to connect his groups
]
;W[rk]C[Tangerine [5k\]: yea, I don't think s3 was "stupid"
Beanbag [2d\]: s3 inducing move i guess
Uberdude [2d\]: s3 induces s7
Uberdude [2d\]: seems decent plan to me
bleep [3d?\]: b obviously saw it coming, but he didn't mind taking the sacrifice :)
Uberdude [2d\]: connecting to r11 is big
Rocker [4d\]: r13
Uberdude [2d\]: as otherwise b might attack w a bit there
Beanbag [2d\]: now b can poke at the h8 aji
Beanbag [2d\]: lader braker
bleep [3d?\]: well, no h8 yet
Tangerine [5k\]: that would make a nice problem
Beanbag [2d\]: i mean lader braker bleap
Lynx [2d\]: go and rock with it
bleep [3d?\]: yeah, good idea
Uberdude [2d\]: h8 is small now though
Uberdude [2d\]: b connected
Uberdude [2d\]: just a 25 point yose
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Beanbag [2d\]: lol 25 point wil do nice to pad w lead
]
;B[pi]C[Uberdude [2d\]: this fight is urgent
Uberdude [2d\]: bigger than 25
Mikho [4k\]: w has tenukied before
Beanbag [2d\]: yea of course but its not like b gona die
Beanbag [2d\]: just that w is seriously in disadavantage and the h8 aji is part of it
ChemBoy613 [-\]: I like B here
Rocker [4d\]: b wanna attack k8 as a whhole
Beanbag [2d\]: ah yeah that sounds like a plan 
Lifestream [-\]: i want to be ur friend Rocker
]
;W[qj]C[Rocker [4d\]: i want a girl friend
USGO2 [-\]: white has about 25 mins left and black has about 55
Tangerine [5k\]: b is enjoying this game I bet
]
;B[ph]C[Rocker [4d\]: but its ok to be just a friend danke
USGO2 [-\]: they are talking about breaking for lunch... humm, maybe not yet
Rocker [4d\]: what there r going to eat ?
]
;W[ni]C[Rocker [4d\]: big macs?
Tangerine [5k\]: empty triangle
Rocker [4d\]: o12
Rakeliem [1k\]: r112
Rakeliem [1k\]: q10
Rocker [4d\]: make up ur mind
Rakeliem [1k\]: o12 seems ok
makoregevr [2d\]: O12?
makoregevr [2d\]: =\\?
makoregevr [2d\]: w cut
makoregevr [2d\]: ///
Rakeliem [1k\]: yea but then w can't capture any of vblack
bleep [3d?\]: this O11 move looks good
Uberdude [2d\]: r12 i think
Uberdude [2d\]: to connect dame in bad shape seems bad
Rakeliem [1k\]: p8
Rakeliem [1k\]: p8
bleep [3d?\]: if r12 works it's good, I can't tell without reading :)
Uberdude [2d\]: treat the 3 lightly
Rocker [4d\]: o10 best shape
makoregevr [2d\]: your telling stupid things,for showing smart
makoregevr [2d\]: but its not really work
Rocker [4d\]: p1*
beeko [7k\]: Looks hard for black
Rocker [4d\]: p10 i mean
Oleksandr [2k\]: is it translating on eurogotv?
Uberdude [2d\]: r12 and attack q15
makoregevr [2d\]: P10 the best
bleep [3d?\]: think hard about the name of eurogotv
NateC [1d\]: 'your telling stupid things'
Uberdude [2d\]: this is american not european
Rakeliem [1k\]: he just cuts and something dies bleep
bleep [3d?\]: yeah, thought so too
bleep [3d?\]: :P
AznKid93 [1d\]: you're*
]
;B[oi]C[Rocker [4d\]: eurovision song contest
USGO2 [-\]: Bi Jang lets out an audible sigh
Rakeliem [1k\]: is he out of shape?
makoregevr [2d\]: ah,told you?
Cail [4k\]: lol
Mikho [4k\]: BJ made a bad shape it seems
]
;W[rg]C[Zureiyaaa [5d\]: there are even josekis with empty triangle
]
;B[qg]C[Zureiyaaa [5d\]: did you know that?
Hanne [6k\]: this is not joseki though
Rocker [4d\]: becuz b wanna attack
egcguest: p12 is shining.
Mikho [4k\]: everybody knows that
Hanne [6k\]: not me
Cail [4k\]: zchen always wants to attack
csgo [?\]: b seems to be confident to survive
Zureiyaaa [5d\]: looks like you don't, Mikho :P
]
;W[rf]C[Mikho [4k\]: I do. 4-4, keima approack, tsuke on top, hane, nobi, block is the first josekis I learned
Rocker [4d\]: no b likes attacking so he didnt waana give up on the l8 group
Mikho [4k\]: minus the nobi =)
Arkavon [11k\]: What is the time like now?
Rocker [4d\]: is w zchen 7d ?
NattyIce [1k\]: y
Rocker [4d\]: kgs 7d account
Rocker [4d\]: oh
NattyIce [1k\]: darkmage also
bleep [3d?\]: aka darkmage, aka arwen
Rakeliem [1k\]: who is arwen
USGO2 [-\]: about 10 minutes later
bleep [3d?\]: same person, while ago :)
Paddlefoot [1d\]: he has a thing for liv tyler
Rakeliem [1k\]: wh o is liv tyler
rvf [2k\]: gee
Paddlefoot [1d\]: girl who played arwen...(character in lord of the rings)
Hanne [6k\]: liv tyler is a human ape
Cail [4k\]: she makes a hot elf though.
csgo [?\]: I think this game depends on this
Rocker [4d\]: i thought zchen 7d is not so strong 7d
Rakeliem [1k\]: arwen I don't thin is in lotr?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: daughter of aerosmith dude I think
rvf [2k\]: what a troll
Paddlefoot [1d\]: arwen is the elf with the white horse
KGSPlus [-\]: please keep comments related to the game
Rakeliem [1k\]: arwen is a troll?
Rakeliem [1k\]: ok
Paddlefoot [1d\]: someone is
Arkavon [11k\]: How long do they each have left?
NattyIce [1k\]: dont think zchen plays seriously half the time
Paddlefoot [1d\]: how old is zchen?
rvf [2k\]: 16-17
Paddlefoot [1d\]: damn
rvf [2k\]: something like that
bleep [3d?\]: nah, he's older
AznKid93 [1d\]: hes a gonna be a sophomore at princeton
AznKid93 [1d\]: cant be 16-17
NattyIce [1k\]: hes in college
baltimore [2d?\]: he used to be 16-17
bleep [3d?\]: found it, he's 19, born on May 9, 1989
unc [6k\]: he is 19
calgacus [?\]: Princeton eh, who is paying the fees?
rvf [2k\]: ah ok sry
csgo [?\]: o12?
NattyIce [1k\]: he won north american amateur a year back right? he beat mingjiu?
Mikho [4k\]: I wonder why the chinese have a habit of taking english names...
Beanbag [2d\]: w kinda looks like staring down throat about now
Rakeliem [1k\]: it's cool to do
Tangerine [5k\]: because no one in America can pronounce their real names
Rakeliem [1k\]: yeah
Rakeliem [1k\]: Za-oh-nee-an?
bleep [3d?\]: it's because when you want a job you'll have a better chance as mike or steve
Enraiha [8k\]: that's definitely the reason
Mikho [4k\]: why does it seem it's just the chinese?
Tangerine [5k\]: More like jiao-nien I believe
calgacus [?\]: Innumerable European Jews changed their names
Mikho [4k\]: there are lot of things north americans can't pronounce
Enraiha [8k\]: no it's zhaonian it's the pingying that's how you pronounce it
csgo [?\]: may be o10
Tangerine [5k\]: but pinyin isn't that easy to pronounce for most people...
Enraiha [8k\]: for westerners
Enraiha [8k\]: to be specific just like english words are more difficult to pronounce for us
Rocker [4d\]: r they off to mcdonalds?
Hanne [6k\]: rent u
Rocker [4d\]: for happy meals?
USGO2 [-\]: Bi is still thinking
Rocker [4d\]: ah
Beanbag [2d\]: b gota find best way to atac the w stuf
mentat [3k?\]: hurray, 2 great games to watch this afternoon!
USGO2 [-\]: I'm hoping Michael can convince Bi to think about lunch soon :)
Tangerine [5k\]: there isn't a designated recess?
]
;B[mk]C[USGO2 [-\]: plays with a sigh
Mikho [4k\]: b likes to sigh it seems
Beanbag [2d\]: now w go about trying to run away
Rocker [4d\]: they must agrre to play without lunch
Beanbag [2d\]: im sure b would have loved to be able to go j9 or something
USGO2 [-\]: I've covered several of Michael's games in the past, and he is good at containing his emotions
]
;W[nl]C[Uberdude [2d\]: n11 ?
beeko [7k\]: Lol i can imagine hiws vioce sounding monotone
beeko [7k\]: *his
Beanbag [2d\]: is n11 let b end up playing h8?
Beanbag [2d\]: yea its plausible
USGO2 [-\]: but always cheerful and smiling off the boards
Mikho [4k\]: I think I respect an emotion displaying attitude
Beanbag [2d\]: nah w can respond to n11 constructively
Rocker [4d\]: b  must  prevent w m8 by all means at all cost!!!!!!!
]
;B[rh]C[racine [2d\]: at the cost of Q11 group?
Mikho [4k\]: s12?
Rocker [4d\]: if necessary yeah!
Paddlefoot [1d\]: ???
Uberdude [2d\]: what is this move?
Rocker [4d\]: mik , u cant play such move
Uberdude [2d\]: to get q10 sente?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: making Q10 sente
Uberdude [2d\]: big whoop
Uberdude [2d\]: is it wirth it?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: an expensive manouever though
Uberdude [2d\]: it loses seom points
]
;W[nk]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: is that really nescessary
Uberdude [2d\]: yikes
USGO2 [-\]: Michael hastely places the stone on the board
Paddlefoot [1d\]: there goes the gauntlet
]
;B[qh]
;W[nh]C[Rocker [4d\]: s12 was preparation to prevent m8 but w rebelled 
USGO2 [-\]: with a loud click
Vogel [1k\]: this will be a bloody end
Rocker [4d\]: does he use mouse?
]
;B[ol]
;W[om]
;B[nm]C[Mikho [4k\]: too bad you can't respect snap in kgs
Beanbag [2d\]: oh yeah theres a good shot
USGO2 [-\]: I use a mouse, he uses his hands
]
;W[nj]C[fujichan [2k\]: ??
]
;B[pm]C[Rocker [4d\]: pass!
Uberdude [2d\]: good move!
]
;W[on]
;B[pn]
;W[no]C[mentat [3k?\]: w is too agressive
USGO2 [-\]: almost missed a move - sorry
Uberdude [2d\]: s8 ?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: b seems ahead in the semeai
Vogel [1k\]: b3 only one eye? lol
csgo [?\]: w sacrifice right side for the center?
Beanbag [2d\]: if w get sente its gooder than before
Paddlefoot [1d\]: madness
Universe [2d\]: yes
]
;B[pj]C[Blockdude [3k\]: hes trying to kill the right side
Universe [2d\]: pluse black has to fill in
Universe [2d\]: to kill
Universe [2d\]: even better for white
Beanbag [2d\]: theres some important yoses to play
Paddlefoot [1d\]: w has lost
beeko [7k\]: That was not a good trade
Beanbag [2d\]: w really got off cheap 
]
;W[hj]C[Vogel [1k\]: yes attack b3 :)
Universe [2d\]: i think good trade
Uberdude [2d\]: l13 or so?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: really?
Rocker [4d\]: by professional sense , it cant be good for b 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why do you say that?
fsong2 [1d\]: how attack b3?
Paddlefoot [1d\]: the right is big
Uberdude [2d\]: can he cut p15 or is short of libs?
Rocker [4d\]: b got gote 
Beanbag [2d\]: padlefot dint you see the position before? w was in so much trouble
Brizou [2k\]: is j9 an option ?
csgo [?\]: b o15
fatprince [1k\]: I don't see w can win...
Vogel [1k\]: hm not sure :)
Rocker [4d\]: and w settles centre with a lot of influence 
racine [2d\]: b o14
Universe [2d\]: white win to mee
Beanbag [2d\]: even if w behing now dont gota resign yet
csgo [?\]: I know I know l15
fatprince [1k\]: w has no chance... that's my take
Rocker [4d\]: this feels very bad for b almost 10 points unfair trade 
Beanbag [2d\]: e18 looks big
Rocker [4d\]: btw q10 was mandatory!!???????
baaba [3k\]: yeah
Rocker [4d\]: why!!!!!!!!
mentat [3k?\]: ~o15 looks interesting
calgacus [?\]: w territory becomes b - twice the value.
Paddlefoot [1d\]: O14
Rocker [4d\]: cal it was not much of territory first hand!
Paddlefoot [1d\]: fireworks
]
;B[mf]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: I think a simple reducing move will suffice
Beanbag [2d\]: w had serious issues in center and fixed all is really big point value
]
;W[og]
;B[id]C[Beanbag [2d\]: even gain point in midle
]
;W[gb]C[Beanbag [2d\]: g18 large
Mikho [4k\]: yose
Uberdude [2d\]: j16 odd looking
Uberdude [2d\]: seems inefficient to me
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I am interested that both you, rocker and evidently Michael think this is good for w
Rocker [4d\]: j16 is professional 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: meaning?
Uberdude [2d\]: why?
Uberdude [2d\]: g18 seems a good move for white
Uberdude [2d\]: i think e18 better
mentat [3k?\]: j16 is calm and steady. g18 looks like a huge double sente that black missed
Beanbag [2d\]: j16 is profesional caus it confuses us amaters
]
;B[bd]C[Terran [5d\]: j16 wastes ko threat, makes black stronger, makes white heavier.  in other words, it sucks.
Mikho [4k\]: ko potential?
elohimmeth [2k\]: yes !
racine [2d\]: g18 removes aji from the corner :p
]
;W[be]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: not enough
racine [2d\]: (b g18 i mean)
]
;B[db]
;W[bb]
;B[eb]
;W[fb]
;B[bc]C[makoregevr [2d\]: b gonna win i think
]
;W[ad]C[Paddlefoot [1d\]: w has too many weaknesses
Rocker [4d\]: it might be better for b to playy f18 then j16 though its not certain w will answer with e18 but b going to e18 seems a bit overplay to my professional sense
Paddlefoot [1d\]: can he really hold the kill?
]
;B[ab]
;W[ba]C[makoregevr [2d\]: cut!
Paddlefoot [1d\]: seems like he can't
Paddlefoot [1d\]: I'm surprised to see w try to kill here
Beanbag [2d\]: i kinda felt like f18 was normuser than g18
Paddlefoot [1d\]: perhaps he can lose E17 and still kill
Mikho [4k\]: maybe he has no other choice
Rocker [4d\]: c15
akira04 [7k\]: jsui d'acord^^
csgo [?\]: b should focus on end game
beeko [7k\]: dead?
Brizou [2k\]: c15?
akira04 [7k\]: dead or dead what is the question
Mikho [4k\]: I can't see a way to live
vman [11k\]: l14?
USGO2 [-\]: Bi shakes his head
fsong2 [1d\]: lol
beeko [7k\]: ?
fsong2 [1d\]: that means dead?
Brizou [2k\]: c15 for cut at f17 seems best option
Beanbag [2d\]: w can probly let b eat e17 and stil suround him
Rocker [4d\]: he looks crying?
beeko [7k\]: LOL
fujichan [2k\]: C15 for cut in F17, no ? 
csgo [?\]: j8
GameFAQs [3d\]: beeko is next beejang.
GameFAQs [3d\]: You heard it here first.
Mikho [4k\]: looking up for some aji at around c11 or sth
beeko [7k\]: =D
Beanbag [2d\]: wow beeko on fan list :D
calgacus [?\]: j12
]
;B[ei]C[beeko [7k\]: =DD
Sponge7 [3d\]: lol
]
;W[ej]C[Rocker [4d\]: i think f17 cut doesnt work now thats why mr jang shook his had
Rocker [4d\]: but e10 seems a bit risky , why not happily d12?
]
;B[hk]
;W[il]
;B[hl]C[Beanbag [2d\]: w not happy 
]
;W[hm]
;B[dh]
;W[dk]C[Mikho [4k\]: there
cugel23k [5d\]: c14
Rocker [4d\]: b not ataariing at j8 seems a bit odd , cuz it could ve left more oyshi aji
USGO2 [-\]: and the prisoner drops loudly to the table
bleep [3d?\]: c15 ?
Rocker [4d\]: resign?
Rocker [4d\]: nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
cugel23k [5d\]: c14 and f17
Beanbag [2d\]: cugel 23k cause he peeps at cuts
]
;B[ed]
;W[fd]C[mentat [3k?\]: f16
]
;B[ee]C[Mikho [4k\]: b keeps surprising me
Beanbag [2d\]: d17?
wijii [-\]: hes read it all i bet
bleep [3d?\]: when a move this cool-looking does something remotely useful, you have to play it
bleep [3d?\]: it's a go-fundamental
fsong2 [1d\]: go micheal!
Rocker [4d\]: michael dropped d10 prisoner onto the table ?? how do they continue so quick without restoring the previous set of the stones?
mentat [3k?\]: bleep, you could not say it better
mentat [3k?\]: ^_^
Rocker [4d\]: how!!!
cugel23k [5d\]: looks w lost
USGO2 [-\]: table != board
wijii [-\]: they move at the speed of light
Rocker [4d\]: ah
MrShintou [-\]: I Prefer b
]
;W[df]
;B[dc]
;W[fc]C[Rocker [4d\]: i got confused , so i thought b expressed his intention of resignation first then.. hehe
]
;B[ea]
;W[ca]C[Beanbag [2d\]: looks like b alive
Beanbag [2d\]: to the bloody end
cugel23k [5d\]: how did he expressed resignation?
]
;B[eg]C[beeko [7k\]: Black is fight for life 
calgacus [?\]: Looks like a brawl,
Brizou [2k\]: was it all for c12 ?
Rocker [4d\]: at least it extended the liberties by 10+
cugel23k [5d\]: b wants to kill f17
Uberdude [2d\]: b will surely get something here
]
;W[bg]
;B[fe]C[Rocker [4d\]: like i said w not playing d12 when b forced with e11 was odd to my sensitive feel
Beanbag [2d\]: i guess resign now
]
;W[ge]C[Uberdude [2d\]: j16 in nice place now =)
]
;B[gd]C[cugel23k [5d\]: simple cut
]
;W[fg]C[Uberdude [2d\]: deep reading by b
Rocker [4d\]: i think w collapsed
vman [11k\]: W have around 35 point?
Blockdude [3k\]: white is in serious trouble now
bleep [3d?\]: h18 ?
Brizou [2k\]: h15
]
;B[gf]
;W[he]C[cugel23k [5d\]: g14 
cugel23k [5d\]: and h18
Blockdude [3k\]: ...nice
cugel23k [5d\]: or h16
cugel23k [5d\]: or any move   b win
Mikho [4k\]: nice
]
;B[ff]C[USGO2 [-\]: white 10 min left
]
;W[hf]C[Blockdude [3k\]: h16
]
;B[hg]C[cugel23k [5d\]: b17 alive now
]
;W[ig]
;B[hh]C[MrShintou [-\]: no mercy by b
Rocker [4d\]: cugel god 
cugel23k [5d\]: thx
cugel23k [5d\]: resign time
Rocker [4d\]: yeah
mike2096 [5k\]: how strong is w again?
USGO2 [-\]: White resigns
Blockdude [3k\]: 8dan
mike2096 [5k\]: thx
Mikho [4k\]: good game!
Greil [4d\]: great game
Chris929 [14k\]: sweet game^^
Beanbag [2d\]: exciting game
elohimmeth [2k\]: huh -_-
beeko [7k\]: Great game
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for watching; stay tuned for more exciting top-board games this week!
LightA [15k\]: >.< very intersting game
Beanbag [2d\]: im so confused about parts of the game but thats go for ya
Rocker [4d\]: usgo my view on b w not answering e11 with d12 was bad right?
beeko [7k\]: Amazing comeback
jolieg [6k\]: is there a bracket online?
Beanbag [2d\]: i liked how there was some back and forth action in the game.. w really fought hard after geting pwned by the weak b grups
Mikho [4k\]: won despite all the sighing
Beanbag [2d\]: well theres some games stil going on.
Rocker [4d\]: it was semi exciting but w showed his weakness rather apparently in the last reading
Mikho [4k\]: I wonder if e10 was *the* mistake
Rocker [4d\]: which shows it had a little diistance to top level games of the tournament
Rocker [4d\]: mik like i said immediately after it was played , i felt its odd 
Mikho [4k\]: maybe w thought there wasnt any aji left there
Rocker [4d\]: for my sensitive feels its just out of question to play d12 , not e10
frankzappa [4k\]: time ? please 
Paddlefoot [1d\]: why D14 not D17
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